I have. No new information there. I can say that regarding Gonzalez is untrue, and the timeline is incorrect. Also, Expelled interviews two professors who were behind the push to deny him tenure. An obvious anti-ID bias.
Leaving the ID proponents out of the picture in the movie... the interviews by those who are against ID shows you that there is a bias.
Matt
· 1 year ago
Yes, those in Expelled did use the term 'Darwinism' but that was done to speak to the interviewer on his own level. It is not a recognised scientific mechanism and it is not a field of philosophy.
And what, exactly, do you classify as bias? ID proponents have yet to actually bring forth any evidence for their hypotheses, their hypotheses fails the standards for it to be scientific in the first place ... so why should it be treated as science?
NP
· 1 year ago
What critics of evolution often mean by "Darwinism" is different from what Dawkins would call "Darwinism" or "Darwinian evolution". The former is often used to imply a "materialist philosophy" that purports to explain the origins of time, space, energy, matter, and life using a doctrine of randomness. The latter, more accurate, definition simply refers to the mechanism of natural selection by which evolutionary change occurs. It has nothing to do with cosmological origins, nor does it wholly rely on randomness or chance.
The metaphor of a "wall" is obfuscation. As was evident through the Dover trial - given very little time in the movie despite its landmark ruling - ID advocates failed to make a case for regarding it as a true science. Even since the trial, no new evidence for ID has come forth. So while the movement "flunked" in its attempt to gain respectability, it is now whining that it got "expelled".
There's no scientific debate to had if Intelligent Design cannot even bring falsifiable evidence to the table. Attempting to surreptitiously gain sympathy from the public is just another manoeuvre in its litany of attempts to subvert the scientific process. Like all other contrarian hypotheses (e.g. transposons, symbiogenesis, etc) ID needs to earn its respect in the scientific community rather than throwing a tantrum. Till it does, the argument from design can be discussed in philosophy or theology classes.
By the way, the secular ID advocate you are referring to is David Berlinski.
Hopefully "Expelled" will enlighten the public that wants to be enlightened to the agenda of the evolutionists/atheists/agnostics to shut the Christians up by their taunts and mockings, curses and belittling but, when people know the Truth, they cannot be stopped. This movie is causing almost as much stir among the evolutionist community as The Quest for Right book which was just released. It has a ring of the truth also and the atheists/evolution gangs just hate it and have jumped on it like ravaging wolves out to kill, and few have even read it yet. Truth will prevail no matter how hard you try to gag it. This nation used to be a nation of free speech, but no longer. Everyone can talk but the Christians yet the Christians were the ones that founded this nation. This nation was meant to be Christian no matter what the godless society say or think.
C. David Parsons
· 1 year ago
The logical next step...
A PARAGON OF SCIENTIFIC ACHIEVEMENT!
The Quest for Right, a series of 7 textbooks created for the public schools, represents the ultimate marriage between an in-depth knowledge of biblical phenomena and natural and physical sciences. The several volumes have accomplished that which, heretofore, was deemed impossible: to level the playing field between those who desire a return to physical science in the classroom and those who embrace the theory of evolution. The Quest for Right turns the tide by providing an authoritative and enlightening scientific explanation of natural phenomena which will ultimately dethrone the unprofitable Darwinian view.
The text begins simply enough, tracing the history of Darwin from an impressionable youth influenced by atheists and agnostics on every hand to a full-fledged agnostic in his own right. The matter may be summed up by the inclusion of Darwin’s sentiment regarding the Creator. In a bitter denial of Christianity, Darwin complained that he "could hardly see how anyone ought to wish Christianity to be true; for if so, the plain language of the text seems to show that the men who do not believe, and this would include my Father, Brother and almost all my best friends, will be everlastingly punished. And this is a damnable doctrine." Darwin charged his original belief in God to the "constant inculcation" (instruction or indoctrination) in a belief in God" during his childhood, which was as difficult to cast down as "for a monkey to throw off its instinctive fear and hatred of a snake…. Darwin purposed in his heart that he would no longer retain God in his knowledge. And the scientific illiterate upstart sought to entrap the innocents in the classroom in his web of deceit.
Once past the history of the Darwinist movement, the architecture of the quantum atom is explored in great detail. This is breathtakingly new!
The atom has been compared to a miniature sun-earth system with one or more electrons darting about everywhere at once weaving an electronic shell around the nucleus. In order for this to occur, “Bohr calculated that the electron must move at a speed of no less than seven million billion rotations per second.” Ummmm, "numerous electrons darting about, dodging one another at breakneck speeds would necessarily require the supernatural. The Quest for Right will prove to your complete satisfaction that the electron is directly adhered to the perimeter of the nucleus. “How could it have been otherwise?” The exciting text is remarkably easy to follow even for a lay person. Read a review:
"I am amazed at the breadth of the investigation - scientific history, biblical studies, geology, biology, geography, astronomy, chemistry, paleontology, and so forth - and find the style of writing to be quite lucid and aimed clearly at a general, lay audience." ― Mark Roberts, former Editor of Biblical Reference Books, Thomas Nelson Publishers.
The book is a virtual smorgasbord of good things to taste: a few of the entertaining subjects include: the earth was created from a watery nebula, the mechanism of gravity which was used to form the earth, the failed photoelectric effect, theory of antimatter, quantum creation (big bang theory), disappearing color, magical application of mathematics to explain certain rudimentary principles, Rayleigh scattering (sunsets), electricity, lightning, electrolyte, the browning of fruit, the mystery of fire, and the role of oxygen in the ignition of hydrocarbons. Then, there’s the desserts which are far too numerous to mention in this limited space; for example, the origin and dimise of the great dinosaurs. Moreover, you will marvel at the comprehensive law of fixed choice.
This is not your parent’s science book filled with distortions of the truth, called “quantum mysticism.” The comprehensive investigation--like none other you will read--quickly escapes into realism by underscoring the numerous experiments and errors responsible for the debasement of scientific theories based on whim. Teachers and students will rejoice in the simplicity of earthly phenomena when entertained by the new discipline.
The Quest for Right is not only an academic resource designed for the public schools, but also contains a wealth of information on pertinent subjects that seminarians, and Christians in general, need to know to be effective: geology, biology, geography, astronomy, chemistry, paleontology, and in-depth Biblical studies. The nuggets from the pages of Biblical history alone will give seminarians literally hundreds of fresh ideas for sermons and teachings. The ministry resources contained in The Quest for Right serve as invaluable aids that will enrich graduates beyond their highest expectations.
I enjoyed the documentary and it is clear that there really are two distinct world views and that Stein is correct - the "scientific" point of view has totally bought into the atheist, evolutionist position. The result is a culture of death that has lost the integrity of scientific inquiry and embraced the kool-aid of abortion and eugenics. Cheers to Stein for having the courage to call them on it!
Tim
· 1 year ago
The film won't change many Darwinists, but even if they are a little more careful to ruin the careers of evolution skeptics then it would have been worth it.
Either these ID scientists who gave up the big-money limelight to embrace ID are cranks or Gallileos. Stein exposes that the latter is most likely the case.
Shane Vander Hart
· 1 year ago
Hey everybody thanks for your comments - I've been busy the last couple of days.
For those of you who oppose this movie... from what I have gathered by your comments it appears (I could be wrong) that you haven't actually seen the movie, instead are reading blogs & websites which are against (which have been in existence before the movie even came out). Also, ironically you are actually proving Ben Stein point in that you quickly seek to dismiss ID as non-science. Not true. It follows the scientific menthod, a lot of the work, articles, and presentations by ID theorists are peer reviewed as well.
Matt
· 1 year ago
No, it doesn't follow the scientific method at all.
Let's start with that it does not have an explainable mechanism and does not make predictions, shall we? Nor does it have any evidence apart from the old argument with incredubility.
It has already been well established (see the Dover trial, for example) that ID is not science and for it to be so then the very definition of science would have to change. And change to such an extent that Astrology would have to be also counted.
petermlopez
· 1 year ago
I have not seen the movie yet, but I have been looking forward to it. Great blog. I hope you don't mind, but I liked to it from mine:
I am going to check it out - when it comes to Canada (so I might be waiting a little while).
patrick
· 1 year ago
just saw Expelled... Ben Stein's goal in making Expelled (i gather) is to promote free thought, especially more thinking about motivations that drive American academia and a lot of other behind-the-scenes worldview that we tend to take for granted.
casey
· 1 year ago
I'm looking forward to seeing it. I hope it finds its way to Japan.
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http://www.expelledexposed.com/
Leaving the ID proponents out of the picture in the movie... the interviews by those who are against ID shows you that there is a bias.
And what, exactly, do you classify as bias? ID proponents have yet to actually bring forth any evidence for their hypotheses, their hypotheses fails the standards for it to be scientific in the first place ... so why should it be treated as science?
It has nothing to do with cosmological origins, nor does it wholly rely on randomness or chance.
The metaphor of a "wall" is obfuscation. As was evident through the Dover trial - given very little time in the movie despite its landmark ruling - ID advocates failed to make a case for regarding it as a true science. Even since the trial, no new evidence for ID has come forth. So while the movement "flunked" in its attempt to gain respectability, it is now whining that it got "expelled".
There's no scientific debate to had if Intelligent Design cannot even bring falsifiable evidence to the table. Attempting to surreptitiously gain sympathy from the public is just another manoeuvre in its litany of attempts to subvert the scientific process. Like all other contrarian hypotheses (e.g. transposons, symbiogenesis, etc) ID needs to earn its respect in the scientific community rather than throwing a tantrum. Till it does, the argument from design can be discussed in philosophy or theology classes.
By the way, the secular ID advocate you are referring to is David Berlinski.
Lance
www.lancessoulsearching.com
A PARAGON OF SCIENTIFIC ACHIEVEMENT!
The Quest for Right, a series of 7 textbooks created for the public schools, represents the ultimate marriage between an in-depth knowledge of biblical phenomena and natural and physical sciences. The several volumes have accomplished that which, heretofore, was deemed impossible: to level the playing field between those who desire a return to physical science in the classroom and those who embrace the theory of evolution. The Quest for Right turns the tide by providing an authoritative and enlightening scientific explanation of natural phenomena which will ultimately dethrone the unprofitable Darwinian view.
The text begins simply enough, tracing the history of Darwin from an impressionable youth influenced by atheists and agnostics on every hand to a full-fledged agnostic in his own right. The matter may be summed up by the inclusion of Darwin’s sentiment regarding the Creator. In a bitter denial of Christianity, Darwin complained that he "could hardly see how anyone ought to wish Christianity to be true; for if so, the plain language of the text seems to show that the men who do not believe, and this would include my Father, Brother and almost all my best friends, will be everlastingly punished. And this is a damnable doctrine." Darwin charged his original belief in God to the "constant inculcation" (instruction or indoctrination) in a belief in God" during his childhood, which was as difficult to cast down as "for a monkey to throw off its instinctive fear and hatred of a snake…. Darwin purposed in his heart that he would no longer retain God in his knowledge. And the scientific illiterate upstart sought to entrap the innocents in the classroom in his web of deceit.
Once past the history of the Darwinist movement, the architecture of the quantum atom is explored in great detail. This is breathtakingly new!
The atom has been compared to a miniature sun-earth system with one or more electrons darting about everywhere at once weaving an electronic shell around the nucleus. In order for this to occur, “Bohr calculated that the electron must move at a speed of no less than seven million billion rotations per second.” Ummmm, "numerous electrons darting about, dodging one another at breakneck speeds would necessarily require the supernatural. The Quest for Right will prove to your complete satisfaction that the electron is directly adhered to the perimeter of the nucleus. “How could it have been otherwise?” The exciting text is remarkably easy to follow even for a lay person. Read a review:
"I am amazed at the breadth of the investigation - scientific history, biblical studies, geology, biology, geography, astronomy, chemistry, paleontology, and so forth - and find the style of writing to be quite lucid and aimed clearly at a general, lay audience." ― Mark Roberts, former Editor of Biblical Reference Books, Thomas Nelson Publishers.
The book is a virtual smorgasbord of good things to taste: a few of the entertaining subjects include: the earth was created from a watery nebula, the mechanism of gravity which was used to form the earth, the failed photoelectric effect, theory of antimatter, quantum creation (big bang theory), disappearing color, magical application of mathematics to explain certain rudimentary principles, Rayleigh scattering (sunsets), electricity, lightning, electrolyte, the browning of fruit, the mystery of fire, and the role of oxygen in the ignition of hydrocarbons. Then, there’s the desserts which are far too numerous to mention in this limited space; for example, the origin and dimise of the great dinosaurs. Moreover, you will marvel at the comprehensive law of fixed choice.
This is not your parent’s science book filled with distortions of the truth, called “quantum mysticism.” The comprehensive investigation--like none other you will read--quickly escapes into realism by underscoring the numerous experiments and errors responsible for the debasement of scientific theories based on whim. Teachers and students will rejoice in the simplicity of earthly phenomena when entertained by the new discipline.
The Quest for Right is not only an academic resource designed for the public schools, but also contains a wealth of information on pertinent subjects that seminarians, and Christians in general, need to know to be effective: geology, biology, geography, astronomy, chemistry, paleontology, and in-depth Biblical studies. The nuggets from the pages of Biblical history alone will give seminarians literally hundreds of fresh ideas for sermons and teachings. The ministry resources contained in The Quest for Right serve as invaluable aids that will enrich graduates beyond their highest expectations.
Visit the official website for additional information: http://questforright.com
There is huge Chrsitian ooposition to intelligent design (and hopefully to Expelled): Religious opposition to “intelligent design”
Are you twelve?
Ken wrote--There is huge Chrsitian ooposition to intelligent design
ID is not about Christianity. Thanks for pointing that out.
My review is here.
Either these ID scientists who gave up the big-money limelight to embrace ID are cranks or Gallileos. Stein exposes that the latter is most likely the case.
For those of you who oppose this movie... from what I have gathered by your comments it appears (I could be wrong) that you haven't actually seen the movie, instead are reading blogs & websites which are against (which have been in existence before the movie even came out). Also, ironically you are actually proving Ben Stein point in that you quickly seek to dismiss ID as non-science. Not true. It follows the scientific menthod, a lot of the work, articles, and presentations by ID theorists are peer reviewed as well.
Let's start with that it does not have an explainable mechanism and does not make predictions, shall we? Nor does it have any evidence apart from the old argument with incredubility.
It has already been well established (see the Dover trial, for example) that ID is not science and for it to be so then the very definition of science would have to change. And change to such an extent that Astrology would have to be also counted.
http://beautyofthebible.com/